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Two high school students provoked a teacher to lose his temper, recorded the incident and posted it on YouTube. Schools are trying to find ways to keep electronic recording devices out of the classroom.

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Do you think students should be allowed to have recording devices or cell phone cameras in class? Why do you think teachers and schools are so concerned about videos from class being posted on the internet?

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AZERT	02:30pm Apr 8, 2007 EST	26 of 42
High schools and college are different: With High Schools... that is "mandatory" learning. The teachers are forced to make you learn. With colleges... do what you want (You are an adult, after all), and if you don't make the grade, they'll kick you out. AZERT

kera	02:50pm Apr 8, 2007 EST	27 of 42
Yea, I agree AZERT, but where are you going with it? Are you agreeing that students should bring cameras and such to school? Because Cyric is saying that it is in comparison to recording graphical content in Iraq, which in my belief isn't near the same thing. I see the only reason why they shouldn't be allowed to bring phones, camcorders. e.t.c is because it will/might affect their studies, not because it is "against the law" in other countries.

FaerieGirl	04:31pm Apr 8, 2007 EST	28 of 42
In university, teachers assume you know the basic rules of behaviour already; I mean, they are not supposed to teach you anymore about that. They are supposed to teach you technique at a professional level. The others were taught in the first 12-15 years. Also, I'd like to post my question again: does any of you think that the situation in school is so critical that visual evidence is needed to ensure a safe environment for students?

kera	04:53pm Apr 8, 2007 EST	29 of 42
Also, I'd like to post my question again: does any of you think that the situation in school is so critical that visual evidence is needed to ensure a safe environment for students? Well in most schools, Yes. Like someone said on this thread(forgot your name, I think Cyric?), if video cameras are kept in hallways/outside, why exempt classrooms? More suspicious behavior, mainly from teachers are during class time.. not at lunch or break. "In university, teachers assume you know the basic rules of behaviour already; I mean, they are not supposed to teach you anymore about that. They are supposed to teach you technique at a professional level. The others were taught in the first 12-15 years." - As for this, i've came across this point. What I want to know is; do you think recording videos in school is relatively close to recording brutal scenes in iraq?

FaerieGirl	12:17am Apr 9, 2007 EST	30 of 42
Kera (and yes, you can call me Fae - sorry for not responding in the other thread, I forgot ) - Well; to be honest, I don't think any severe violation to human rights we should all have visual evidence of takes place in classrooms, so I think that answers your question. I honestly think that having one camera in the classroom for that is called exaggeration (especially when you have cases like the one in Iraq, heh) and in most cases everything would be solved with a smart dialogue, but I'm aware of the fact that it's not what everyone believes, so...

AZERT	01:57pm Apr 9, 2007 EST	31 of 42
Look, I'm not saying we should bring cameras to school and everything. I'm not going to lug a camera around "just in case" a violation happens.... Nope, not that paranoid. Plus I don't look down at even the worst teachers in my school that way. What I am saying is that it should not be banned... If (That's a big if, usually stuff like that doesn't happen) such a thing happens... If students record it, then it's not their fault. It's like a warning thing. Students probably shouldn't text/cheat during classes with phones. But when it comes down to it.. If you record and YouTube something bad, it's not your fault, it's the teacher's fault. AZERT

Bigleon	02:24pm Apr 9, 2007 EST	32 of 42
So, to clarify what the majority is saying. If you post an inappropriate action of a teacher on Youtube, it is teachers fault?

kera	02:35pm Apr 9, 2007 EST	33 of 42
Np, Fae:). Basically yes, Cyric. Well it's not their fault that the video's there (obviously) but what ever they do, and people see, they should take full responsibility for their actions. There is a twist to this though, on one hand, the student might've provoked the teacher.. on the other, the teacher may have just gotten fed up.But, teachers should learn to control their tempers and what not. Just send them to the office, whats there to flip out about?

AZERT	04:45pm Apr 9, 2007 EST	34 of 42
Right on. Teachers are the ones with the power. They are the ones that adults trust. They are the adults. Which means that they are (or should be) more responsible.. that's why they are in the upper position. Basically, the teacher shouldn't fall to the level of the kid... Again the thing is to relax... call some help if needed, and also if force is used when necessary, then a School copy of the video will back up the school in case people take things out of context. AZERT

kera	05:59pm Apr 9, 2007 EST	35 of 42
Oh yea, Fae.. in my opinion (referring to your post # 30), just to be on the safe side, cameras should be both in and out of classrooms. If a school camera was in the classroom, then this thread would have a different topic. Some what like; "Students caught in provoking act - and lies" or "Teacher flips out and is dismissed"

Anu30March	12:57pm Apr 23, 2007 EST	36 of 42
In our school, even teachers are not allowed to bring or use cell phone cameras or recording devices, let alone students.I don't think such devices should be used or brought in schools.There are more chances of students misusing such devices.We've had many infamous cases of students recording MMS and video clips containing offensive content through their cell phone cameras in schools in our country.That's why in our country, students are prohibited from bringing cell phones (whether with cameras or not) to schools and even some colleges. I don't think any serious human rights violation or scams go on inside schools, so as students have to turn into undercover agents to expose the scams through their recording devices.If there's anything fishy going on inside school premises, then students can talk with their parents, contact the press or the police etc. than exposing the "scams" themselves. In the case given in this particular NewzFlash, I think what the students did was absolutely wrong.Firstly, causing a teacher to lose his temper, then recording his reactions and posting that video clip on a popular website like YouTube is wrong and not permissible at all.They just wanted to have "fun" and insult that teacher.Their act shows their maturity level and sense of responsibility.So school authorities have to step in to manintain discipline. Keeping in view, cases like these, its better not to permit any kind of recording devices at schools.

FaerieGirl	07:44pm Apr 23, 2007 EST	37 of 42
Hey, this also reminds me of something that happened not long ago. My mother works in one of the public high schools here in Mexico City as a professor. She also helps in the official newspaper of the system of high schools. She was told by one of her colleagues that there was a video on YouTube that depicted how a girl tripped when she stepped on the cardboard that covered the hole of a manhole some guys removed from the ground. She hit her ribs and broke them; somehow, she managed to stand up and walk to the head's office. She couldn't breathe well, but the head didn't think it was important and instead told her to leave. The fact that this video was on YouTube gave some of the heads in the system evidence to actually be able to take action against the students who did it. They were expelled from the system (meaning they can't attend national uni anymore) and the lawyers of the system gave the parents of the girl assessment so that they could take judicial action against them (the girl spent days at the hospital; her lungs were injured). Also, action was taken against the head who didn't pay attention to her. If this hadn't been posted on YouTube by those sick guys, perhaps there would not have been so much attention to it, after all...

Anu30March	02:58pm Apr 24, 2007 EST	38 of 42
Hmm...in case of the incident you've mentioned in your post, I do feel that having school videos on YouTube might not be a totally negative idea after all.But please tell us, how was that video recorded?You didn't mention anywhere in your post whether that video was made by a student through his own personal recording devices. In the situation you mentioned, having recording devices at school doesn't seem an out and out bad idea.But I would say, that posting such videos at popular public websites like YouTube is not right.Students may be allowed to record and make a video, but they should not post videos of others online.They can put up their own personal videos, but should not put others' videos without their approval or consent. In the case mentioned in your post, students (or anyone who made the video) should have kept the video to themselves - I mean they could have shown that video to their teachers, concerned authorities or friends, instead of posting it at YouTube.Do we need to have the whole world as witnesses?I don't think so.

AZERT	06:59pm Apr 24, 2007 EST	39 of 42
Hmm...in case of the incident you've mentioned in your post, I do feel that having school videos on YouTube might not be a totally negative idea after all.But please tell us, how was that video recorded?You didn't mention anywhere in your post whether that video was made by a student through his own personal recording devices. In the situation you mentioned, having recording devices at school doesn't seem an out and out bad idea.But I would say, that posting such videos at popular public websites like YouTube is not right.Students may be allowed to record and make a video, but they should not post videos of others online.They can put up their own personal videos, but should not put others' videos without their approval or consent. In the case mentioned in your post, students (or anyone who made the video) should have kept the video to themselves - I mean they could have shown that video to their teachers, concerned authorities or friends, instead of posting it at YouTube.Do we need to have the whole world as witnesses?I don't think so. Wrong... Sometimes, we do have to. Sometimes you can't put faith in the system, you can't just go small. When you come from a place where a person has too much power, you need the whole world to bring them down. AZERT

FaerieGirl	08:35pm Apr 24, 2007 EST	40 of 42
I'm really sorry - you are right. I didn't specify it. The guys who removed the manhole from the ground and put a cardboard over it sat down nearby with their camera (I think it was either a formal camera or a mobile one, not sure), filmed the girl as she tripped and then they uploaded the video onto YouTube.

Anu30March	06:53am Apr 25, 2007 EST	41 of 42
"Wrong... Sometimes, we do have to. Sometimes you can't put faith in the system, you can't just go small. When you come from a place where a person has too much power, you need the whole world to bring them down. AZERT" In my previous post, I was only referring to the case outlined by FaerieGirl in her last post.I only said that in that particular situation we did not need the whole world as witnesses for the girl who tripped and fell. I agree with what you have said.When the situation is really drastic, serious or alarming and it is necessary to bring out the truth then we do need to have a large number of witnesses.Otherwise, if it's a less serious issue (like that of some student's mischief) then we can deal with it on a smaller scale, than having a full scale expose on the internet. And yeah, another thing, if something really wrong is going on at school then the students can and should use recording devices (whether allowed or not) to find out and expose the truth. I hope I've clarified my stand.

Anu30March	07:21am Apr 25, 2007 EST	42 of 42
"I'm really sorry - you are right. I didn't specify it. The guys who removed the manhole from the ground and put a cardboard over it sat down nearby with their camera (I think it was either a formal camera or a mobile one, not sure), filmed the girl as she tripped and then they uploaded the video onto YouTube." Oh no problem FaerieGirl.Now I think it's really foolish of those guys to have firstly recorded the whole incident and then posted the video on YouTube themselves.They themselves did the whole thing, and themselves left the evidence for their act!Pretty foolish... Now, I think that perhaps they did the entire thing only so that the girl would fall and they could record a video of hers, post it online to make (more) fun of her.In this case, it was not the recording device which was helpful (in finding the truth), rather it was the utter foolishness of those culprits themselves which led to the discovery of the truth about the entire incident. In fact, the very fact that the guys could record a video of the girl trip and fall, could have prompted them (further) to go ahead with their act. I don't think we need to have personal recording devices at school, because there are more chances of these devices being misused, than being used for a good (or harmless) purpose. Besides, we're at school only for a couple of hours a day - students have the rest of the day to themselves, so they are free to use their mobiles or cameras as much and as often as want to.Mobile phones and recording devices are only a distraction from studies at school.Better not to allow these devices at least at school level.

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